Channel 4 News has published footage from 2003 in which then Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan discussed phone-hacking with Welsh singer Charlotte Church:
Morgan tells Church, who we now know is a victim of hacking:
There was a spate of stories that came out because of mobile phones. When they first came out, mobile phones, journalists found out that if the celebrity hadn't changed their pin code you can access their voicemail just by tapping in a number.
Now, are you really telling me that journalists aren't going to do that?
When he appeared at the Leveson Inquiry in December 2011, Morgan was asked by Lord Justice Leveson: "Have you listened to recordings of what you knew to be illegally obtained voicemail messages?" to which he replied: "I don't believe so, no."
The question was in relation to allegations that Morgan had listened to a voicemail message left by Sir Paul McCartney for Heather Mills when the couple were suffering marital problems.
It was widely reported last year that Morgan was played a tape of the recording in around 2001.
When Jeremy Paxman appeared before the inquiry in May 2012, he claimed that Morgan had told him how to access voicemail messages at a lunch at the Mirror headquarters in Canary Wharf in September 2002.
Paxman told the inquiry: "He turned to me and said 'Have you got a mobile phone?' I said yes and he asked if there was a security setting on the message bit of it. I didn't know what he was talking about.
Today's Channel 4 footage was published ahead of tonight's documentary Taking on the Tabloids with Hugh Grant.